Comments on: Tax on Sugary Food and the Food of Cancer, Obesity and Diabetes http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/ Some Exercise and Diet Ideas to Better Your Life Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:04:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Nikki http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-1557 Nikki Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:09:57 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-1557 I like the idea of a tax but for an entirely different reason. Maybe it will encourge families to start cooking again? Like most women my age I learned to cook from watching my mother -- but moms are cooking less and less. Plopping a Stouffer's lasagna from freezer to oven doesn't count. Whole foods, fresh vegetables and -- dare I say -- a fruit bowl for kids' "snacks" instead of whatever's on the latest food commercial. A quick home cooked meal instead of driving through the drive thru? We took an informal poll of 20 mothers with children ages 2-16. We asked 2 questions: 1) Do you know how to bake a chicken? (put the chicken in a baking dish & bake until done is the simple answer) and 2) How often do you cook dinner for the family? (0-2 times a week were the answers). It's no wonder the obesity epidemic in America and when people decide to follow a weight loss plan they're often at a total loss for how to prepare food. Sorry for the rant but it's a serious situation that kids aren't taught cooking at home and with budget cuts -- not at school either. In our recipe box we've lately resorted to spelling out "teaspoon" and "tablespoon" because few have any idea the difference between tsp and Tbsp. Excellent post, thanks for writing it! I like the idea of a tax but for an entirely different reason. Maybe it will encourge families to start cooking again? Like most women my age I learned to cook from watching my mother — but moms are cooking less and less. Plopping a Stouffer’s lasagna from freezer to oven doesn’t count.

Whole foods, fresh vegetables and — dare I say — a fruit bowl for kids’ “snacks” instead of whatever’s on the latest food commercial. A quick home cooked meal instead of driving through the drive thru?

We took an informal poll of 20 mothers with children ages 2-16. We asked 2 questions: 1) Do you know how to bake a chicken? (put the chicken in a baking dish & bake until done is the simple answer) and 2) How often do you cook dinner for the family? (0-2 times a week were the answers).

It’s no wonder the obesity epidemic in America and when people decide to follow a weight loss plan they’re often at a total loss for how to prepare food. Sorry for the rant but it’s a serious situation that kids aren’t taught cooking at home and with budget cuts — not at school either. In our recipe box we’ve lately resorted to spelling out “teaspoon” and “tablespoon” because few have any idea the difference between tsp and Tbsp.

Excellent post, thanks for writing it!

]]> By: fred hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-510 fred hahn Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:46:15 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-510 James, I say this in all kindness, you need to talk to a professional who can help you with your issues. I will not comment any further on this issue. James, I say this in all kindness, you need to talk to a professional who can help you with your issues. I will not comment any further on this issue.

]]> By: James Krieger, M.S., M.S. http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-509 James Krieger, M.S., M.S. Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:42:04 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-509 ********* James behaves like a classic troll. ********** Ad hominem and irrelevant to the discussion. *********** He NEEDS to belittle because he is insecure. ************ Ad hominem and irrelevant to the discussion. I could be the biggest asshole in the world, but it's still not evidence that cancer in the wild is rare. The fact is you are completely unable to debate without resorting to ad hominems...usually the sign of someone who does not have a valid argument. If your argument was valid, you could stick to the points and not have to question my motives. ************** I explained my position on cancer in the wild over and over ************** But over and over you are unable to provide scientific evidence to support your position ************* What a normal human being does is privatley email someone and say "Hey Fred - I think you goofed up on the cancer issue. It appears that cancer can and does exist in wild animals that have had ZERO contact with mankind. Here's a link to...." *************** What's the difference between doing privately or publically? Are you afraid of your errors being exposed publically? And this was my first response to your blog post.... "This is false. Cancer strikes wild animals at similar rates to humans. For a review, see: McAloose, D. & A.L. Newton. Wildlife cancer: a conservation perspective. Nature Reviews Cancer. 9:517-526, 2009" How is that any different from saying you have appeared to make an error? How is this berating you or being a troll? ************** I notice that neither you nor James are challenging the main gist of the blog post - that eating excess sugar in all it's forms be they candy or whole wheat -are the cause of obesity and diabetes. **************** Because this has already been debated to death with you over on jpfitness and on your own forum. There is no point in starting that all over again here, particularly given your confirmation bias tendency, your inconsistent standards of evidence, and the way you completely dismiss or ignore evidence that doesn't fit with your beliefs. *********
James behaves like a classic troll.
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Ad hominem and irrelevant to the discussion.
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He NEEDS to belittle because he is insecure.
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Ad hominem and irrelevant to the discussion.
I could be the biggest asshole in the world, but it’s still not evidence that cancer in the wild is rare.
The fact is you are completely unable to debate without resorting to ad hominems…usually the sign of someone who does not have a valid argument. If your argument was valid, you could stick to the points and not have to question my motives.
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I explained my position on cancer in the wild over and over
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But over and over you are unable to provide scientific evidence to support your position
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What a normal human being does is privatley email someone and say “Hey Fred – I think you goofed up on the cancer issue. It appears that cancer can and does exist in wild animals that have had ZERO contact with mankind. Here’s a link to….”
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What’s the difference between doing privately or publically? Are you afraid of your errors being exposed publically?
And this was my first response to your blog post….
“This is false. Cancer strikes wild animals at similar rates to humans. For a review, see:
McAloose, D. & A.L. Newton. Wildlife cancer: a conservation perspective. Nature Reviews Cancer. 9:517-526, 2009″
How is that any different from saying you have appeared to make an error? How is this berating you or being a troll?
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I notice that neither you nor James are challenging the main gist of the blog post – that eating excess sugar in all it’s forms be they candy or whole wheat -are the cause of obesity and diabetes.
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Because this has already been debated to death with you over on jpfitness and on your own forum. There is no point in starting that all over again here, particularly given your confirmation bias tendency, your inconsistent standards of evidence, and the way you completely dismiss or ignore evidence that doesn’t fit with your beliefs.

]]> By: fred hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-508 fred hahn Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:18:57 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-508 One more thing - I notice that neither you nor James are challenging the main gist of the blog post - that eating excess sugar in all it's forms be they candy or whole wheat -are the cause of obesity and diabetes. That's something to challenge. Challenge that obesity is not caused by eating too many calories. Obesity is a disorder of excess fat accululaiton. That the energy balance equation is horribly misinterpreted. Challenge that type II diabetes is self-inflicted and is easily cured by reducing sugar intake to very low levels. Ready? ;) One more thing – I notice that neither you nor James are challenging the main gist of the blog post – that eating excess sugar in all it’s forms be they candy or whole wheat -are the cause of obesity and diabetes.
That’s something to challenge. Challenge that obesity is not caused by eating too many calories. Obesity is a disorder of excess fat accululaiton. That the energy balance equation is horribly misinterpreted. Challenge that type II diabetes is self-inflicted and is easily cured by reducing sugar intake to very low levels.
Ready? ;)

]]> By: fred hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-507 fred hahn Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:03:52 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-507 Thank you for your comment Mike. It's HOW James challenges, not that he does. Cancer was not the point of the post. The gist was far beyond whether or not animals get cancer away from man's influence. But I guess you missed that to. James behaves like a classic troll. He NEEDS to belittle because he is insecure. It is he who is the one who is running around trying to save face. He realizes he is being petty and harping on a minor issue that is entirely beside the point of my post. I explained my position on cancer in the wild over and over - to the point where most people would think I'm nuts and should just delete James posts. From my reading, cancer in the wild is rare and mostly if not entirely caused by man as is obesity and diabetes - the real point of the blog. We self inflict and can self heal and that sugar is more evil than most realize contributing to the life of cancers and to the development of obesity and type II diabetes. If my blog post was not clear enough and seemed to err on cancer in the wild, big deal. What a normal human being does is privatley email someone and say "Hey Fred - I think you goofed up on the cancer issue. It appears that cancer can and does exist in wild animals that have had ZERO contact with mankind. Here's a link to...." Trolls and persons who operate in a world of negativity due to their own inner hatreds instead publicly attempt to belittle and embarrass not realizing that they hurt themselves the most. I hope this is not you Mike. Thank you for your comment Mike. It’s HOW James challenges, not that he does. Cancer was not the point of the post. The gist was far beyond whether or not animals get cancer away from man’s influence. But I guess you missed that to.
James behaves like a classic troll. He NEEDS to belittle because he is insecure. It is he who is the one who is running around trying to save face. He realizes he is being petty and harping on a minor issue that is entirely beside the point of my post.
I explained my position on cancer in the wild over and over – to the point where most people would think I’m nuts and should just delete James posts. From my reading, cancer in the wild is rare and mostly if not entirely caused by man as is obesity and diabetes – the real point of the blog. We self inflict and can self heal and that sugar is more evil than most realize contributing to the life of cancers and to the development of obesity and type II diabetes. If my blog post was not clear enough and seemed to err on cancer in the wild, big deal.
What a normal human being does is privatley email someone and say “Hey Fred – I think you goofed up on the cancer issue. It appears that cancer can and does exist in wild animals that have had ZERO contact with mankind. Here’s a link to….” Trolls and persons who operate in a world of negativity due to their own inner hatreds instead publicly attempt to belittle and embarrass not realizing that they hurt themselves the most.
I hope this is not you Mike.

]]> By: Joe http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-506 Joe Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:20:25 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-506 Mike, "A misinterpretation or minor half-truths I'm ok with . . .but when somebody consistently contorts science and has a glaring bias towards their absolutist ideals, I speak up." I can't speak for anyone else, but I feel much safer knowing that you are out there policing the internet for us. Funny thing is, there's a lot of BS on the 'net, but I've only seen you "speak up" here. Whatever. . . And while your posts, individually, may not be berating Fred, you piggy back off each other like the ambiguously expert duo. So, if if it makes you feel better to say "I'm just challenging him . . ." Fine. I'm bored now. Sorry for going off topic. Joe Mike,
“A misinterpretation or minor half-truths I’m ok with . . .but when somebody consistently contorts science and has a glaring bias towards their absolutist ideals, I speak up.”
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I feel much safer knowing that you are out there policing the internet for us. Funny thing is, there’s a lot of BS on the ‘net, but I’ve only seen you “speak up” here. Whatever. . .
And while your posts, individually, may not be berating Fred, you piggy back off each other like the ambiguously expert duo. So, if if it makes you feel better to say “I’m just challenging him . . .” Fine.
I’m bored now. Sorry for going off topic.
Joe

]]> By: Mike http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Mike Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:24:26 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-505 Joe, Curious comments.... A misinterpretation or minor half-truths I'm ok with. I don't want to speak for James here, but when somebody consistently contorts science and has a glaring bias towards their absolutist ideals, I speak up. People should be welcoming the dialogue and dissenting opinions - I don't see this as anything but an "open discussion". I am challenging some of Fred's ideas - not berating him. If you find this childish, I don't know what to tell you. I commend Fred for letting the comments stand, even when his ideas are being exposed as misguided. Joe,
Curious comments…. A misinterpretation or minor half-truths I’m ok with. I don’t want to speak for James here, but when somebody consistently contorts science and has a glaring bias towards their absolutist ideals, I speak up.
People should be welcoming the dialogue and dissenting opinions – I don’t see this as anything but an “open discussion”. I am challenging some of Fred’s ideas – not berating him. If you find this childish, I don’t know what to tell you.
I commend Fred for letting the comments stand, even when his ideas are being exposed as misguided.

]]> By: Joe http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-504 Joe Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:51:56 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-504 Mike and James, I think most of Fred's readers choose to read his blog because they value his opinion and welcome his perspective. Not you two, though. You troll along every post, looking for anything remotely inaccurate- just to prove him wrong. Like you need to protect the "dumb" readers from being hoodwinked or something. FYI . . . we'd be just fine without you! Open discussion is great, but the childish banter and constant berating of Fred is ridiculous. It does not add value to the discussion, just comes out as B.S.,B.S. (even if your points are valid). Fred, you have more patience than I. Good luck. Joe Mike and James,
I think most of Fred’s readers choose to read his blog because they value his opinion and welcome his perspective. Not you two, though. You troll along every post, looking for anything remotely inaccurate- just to prove him wrong. Like you need to protect the “dumb” readers from being hoodwinked or something. FYI . . . we’d be just fine without you!
Open discussion is great, but the childish banter and constant berating of Fred is ridiculous. It does not add value to the discussion, just comes out as B.S.,B.S. (even if your points are valid).
Fred, you have more patience than I. Good luck.
Joe

]]> By: Mike http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-503 Mike Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:35:53 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-503 Fred, You make blanket statements and get called on them. You are running around in desperation trying to save face. Are you admitting then that cancer does in fact happen in the wild? This is a simple yes or no question. Ans while it's great that you have fans like jeanie who would prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and not want to hear the whole story - it's great that people like James challenge you on your nonsensical claims. Hopefully you are taking all of this in and will perhaps curb your unsubstantiated claims. Fred,
You make blanket statements and get called on them. You are running around in desperation trying to save face.
Are you admitting then that cancer does in fact happen in the wild? This is a simple yes or no question.
Ans while it’s great that you have fans like jeanie who would prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and not want to hear the whole story – it’s great that people like James challenge you on your nonsensical claims.
Hopefully you are taking all of this in and will perhaps curb your unsubstantiated claims.

]]> By: James Krieger, M.S., M.S. http://slowburnfitness.com/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/comment-page-1/#comment-502 James Krieger, M.S., M.S. Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:22:29 +0000 http://s297693755.onlinehome.us/slowburnfitness/wordpress/2009/09/tax-on-sugary-food-and-the-food-of-cancer-obesity-and-diabetes/#comment-502 ********* IOW, dinosaurs probably got cancer, cave men probably got cancer, and not ony was it not rare, it was common. ************* Strawman. I never said it was common. I said the rates of cancer in the wild, overall, are unknown. ********* Nothing I have read suggests this save for some fringe people who I suppose might be right. ************ "Fringe" people? I quoted scientists who actually do scientific research in this area. You have yet to point out any scientific research in this area. ************ The bulk of what I read suggests that cancer is caused by mankind. *********** But strangely you cannot provide any scientific references to support this. For someone who constantly quotes Sagan and his "Science as a candle in the dark" quote, you don't use science to support your assertions. You also again show your inconsistent standards of evidence. When I stated how scientists believe canine venereal sarcoma came from wolves up to 2,500 years ago (based on genetic evidence, mind you), you pointed out how they BELIEVE this, then speculated that it could've come from man. Essentially, you criticize the scientists for speculating (even though their speculation is based on solid genetic evidence), yet you then speculate yourself (based on NO evidence). The fact is, you have a low standard of evidence if it supports what you believe, but a high standard if it doesn't support what you believe....the perfect example of confirmation bias. Oh, and the virus didn't come from man....because if it did, the genetic evidence would show this. *********
IOW, dinosaurs probably got cancer, cave men probably got cancer, and not ony was it not rare, it was common.
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Strawman. I never said it was common. I said the rates of cancer in the wild, overall, are unknown.
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Nothing I have read suggests this save for some fringe people who I suppose might be right.
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“Fringe” people? I quoted scientists who actually do scientific research in this area. You have yet to point out any scientific research in this area.
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The bulk of what I read suggests that cancer is caused by mankind.
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But strangely you cannot provide any scientific references to support this. For someone who constantly quotes Sagan and his “Science as a candle in the dark” quote, you don’t use science to support your assertions.
You also again show your inconsistent standards of evidence. When I stated how scientists believe canine venereal sarcoma came from wolves up to 2,500 years ago (based on genetic evidence, mind you), you pointed out how they BELIEVE this, then speculated that it could’ve come from man.
Essentially, you criticize the scientists for speculating (even though their speculation is based on solid genetic evidence), yet you then speculate yourself (based on NO evidence).
The fact is, you have a low standard of evidence if it supports what you believe, but a high standard if it doesn’t support what you believe….the perfect example of confirmation bias.
Oh, and the virus didn’t come from man….because if it did, the genetic evidence would show this.

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