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Strength – It’s Good.

by Fred Hahn on November 10, 2011

I won’t say too much about this paper other than to say “Read it.”

Comments are appreciated!

I've been involved in exercise ever since I became a member of The Charles Atlas Club when I was 10 years old. In 1998, I founded and established Serious Strength on the Upper West Side of NYC. My clients include kids, seniors (and everyone in between), top CEOs, celebrities, bestselling authors, journalists and TV personalities.
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in Health/Fitness, strength training · 16 comments

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kevin November 10, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Interesting article from 2007 but one-sided. In the last sentence the author summarizes by saying resistance offers benefits that surpass what can be gotten from aerobic exercise. But his definition of aerobic is walking and jogging. Nothing about the health benefits from HIIT such as Mercola 8’s.

Michael Allen November 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM

This paper is a good summary of the overall position, and it might perhaps encourage elderly readers to actually do a bit of exercise. However, unless I’m missing something, the author does accept the standard party line that a fairly heavy weight and something like 8-12 reps to failure are needed to bring about the benefits of increased strength and improved health.

There is another view, namely that using (much) higher reps can also be effective, particularly if you seek enhanced endurance rather than bodybuilder muscles.

As a non-scientist I am not in a position to argue the case. What I can say is that two years ago I started doing resistance exercise at the age of 70. At first I used the standard formula, i.e. about 10 reps to failure. Recently I began to find this unrewarding, in every sense. I didn’t find it satisfying, and I wasn’t making any further progress.

I am now experimenting with lighter weights and considerably higher reps, anywhere between 40 and 100. So far I find the following benefits:

I find it satisfying to work this way rather than frustrating and unpleasant.
I am able to maintain much better form throughout.
I believe that the risk of injury is reduced, because the lower weight means that there is little temptation to cheat by locking out or twisting the body.
If muscular soreness is any guide, I am getting a more thorough workout on high reps than I did on 10 reps, and the metabolic shock seems (subjectively) to be greater.
I actually look forward to going to the gym each week rather than reluctantly turning up because I ought to.

The key paper on this, which Phillips does not list in his references, is Anderson and Kearney’s 1982 work, ‘Effects of three resistance training programs on muscular strength and absolute and relative endurance’. This demonstrates that, at least in the individuals tested, the biggest gains in endurance were produced in those using the 100-150 range of reps. Since endurance – or stamina – is what I’m after, rather than beach muscles or competitive weight-lifting strength, this appeals to me.

Clarence Bass and Richard Gibbens have also written about this subject.

Fred Hahn November 10, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Kevin – HIIT is just an intense form of cardiovascular work which more closely resembles HIT weight training. There is nothing HIIT can offer that can’t be achieved via HIT.

If you know of any good papers to the contrary, please let me know!

Fred Hahn November 10, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Michael –

You find performing 40-100 reps in a set rewarding and pleasant? Wow. Well, to each his own. That would be torture for me.

As for the endurance issue, that is more due to neurological learning than mitochondrial benefit.

kevin November 10, 2011 at 8:43 PM

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2010/06/26/10-minutes-of-exercise-yields-hourlong-effects.aspx

It’s not a peer-reviewed paper but explains this doctor’s version of HIIT. Using himself as a guinea pig he found serious improvements in his health on blood tests. Initially he was using a stat bike but now I believe he uses an eliptical trainer. I use a treadmill. I set the incline to 8% and staddle the belt as it revs up to 6mph then watching the second hand on the wall clock I jump on for 30 seconds, then jump off and rest for 90 seconds then jump back on for a total of 8 sprints. Using SlowBurn my workout takes 20 minutes and then 20 minutes on the treadmill doing the ‘Peak 8s’. I do this either 2 or 3 times a week.

kevin

Fred Hahn November 10, 2011 at 8:56 PM

I say that Mercola is not doing HIT. Look at him.

kevin November 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

I agree, he’s probably not a serious lifter. As a younger man he was a competive marathon runner, just below the olympic caliber. Not being pejorative; Only 10% of runners ever qualify for the Boston Marathon. Only 0. 1% ever qualify for the olympic trials. Myself, I’ve done over 60 marathons and never got close to a Boston qualifying race. I’ve seen guys like him at the gym, they work hard and get stronger but never develop big muscles. Is this what they mean by an endomorph?

kevin

Alfie November 15, 2011 at 11:42 AM

“There is nothing HIIT can offer that can’t be achieved via HIT.

If you know of any good papers to the contrary, please let me know!”

Fred, do you need a paper to show that interval training on a track might be better to help one prepare for intermittent high speed runs, for example?
Strength has many benefits – you don’t need to oversell it.

Fred Hahn November 15, 2011 at 12:46 PM

“Fred, do you need a paper to show that interval training on a track might be better to help one prepare for intermittent high speed runs, for example?
Strength has many benefits – you don’t need to oversell it.”

I should have been more specific. I meant the benefits of resistance training. Yes, if you want to play golf well you have to practice golf. But the best way to prepare for intermittent high speed runs, you should practice exactly that.

kevin November 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM

It doesn’t really address Alfie’s comment. SlowBurn gets the heart rate up there. HIIT gets the heart rate up there. Slow Burn builds the muscles being worked. HIIT builds the entire cardiovascular system. Both seem to increase growth hormone and testosterone in men. Dr Mercola has shown these increases in himself from doing HIIT. I think the SlowBurn book makes the same assertions but I leant my copy to a friend and can’t refer back to it.

All I know is that a summer of jogging 60 miles per week has left me 20# heavier with achilles tendonitis and a strained back. I’m anxious to get back to the weight room at our rec center for Slow Burn and use their cardio equipment for HIIT. For me both are necessary. Just waiting on the OK from the doctor who did surgery on my elbow epicondylitis ten days ago.

kevin

Fred Hahn November 15, 2011 at 3:37 PM

“It doesn’t really address Alfie’s comment. SlowBurn gets the heart rate up there. HIIT gets the heart rate up there. Slow Burn builds the muscles being worked. ”

Yes but it’s not about heart rate per se. It’s about mitochondrial proliferation. Raising your heart rate to build cardiovascular health is a bogus concept.

“HIIT builds the entire cardiovascular system.”

No it doesn’t and neither does HIT.

“Both seem to increase growth hormone and testosterone in men. Dr Mercola has shown these increases in himself from doing HIIT. I think the SlowBurn book makes the same assertions but I leant my copy to a friend and can’t refer back to it.”

Yes intense exercise can do this.

“All I know is that a summer of jogging 60 miles per week has left me 20# heavier with achilles tendonitis and a strained back. I’m anxious to get back to the weight room at our rec center for Slow Burn and use their cardio equipment for HIIT. ”

No need for the cardio.

“For me both are necessary. Just waiting on the OK from the doctor who did surgery on my elbow epicondylitis ten days ago.”

Necessary for what?

Adam November 16, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Hi Fred and others,

There appears to be a battle between the Slow Burn/strength-training mindset and the standard popular mindset that loves cardio/yoga (always based in sound logic, like “walking cures cancer, since people who are more active are less likely to get cancer!”)

This battle rhymes in many ways with the battle between low carb and low fat camps.

* An objective look at the science would, to me, suggest that some form of low carb/paleo be the null dietary regimen;

* An objective look at the science would, to me, suggest that some form of Slow Burn/strength training be the null exercise regimen.

Cutting calories or fat = superfluous nonsense that misses the point.
Cutting the bad carbs = all the benefit, none of the “waste”

Analogously, jogging = also superfluous nonsense that misses the point.
Strength training the right way = all the benefit, none of the “waste”

I don’t mean to be a mindless acolyte of SB here, but I’ve seen ridiculous benefits doing this program for a year and a half. Much stronger (and can run faster too – hmm) than I was when I did yoga religiously and ran like a fiend.

Fred Hahn November 17, 2011 at 8:15 AM

Agreed Adam. Thanks for the comment.

Erol February 9, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Sorry to comment on an old thread, but my question is related to this strength thread.
I am at a cross-road. I am torn between starting slow-burn or doing a 5×5 starting strength routine. My objective is to get stronger and be able to lift/pull heavy (2x my body weight) within the next 12 to 16 months.
A CSCS trainer at my university says 5×5 should not be done for more than a couple of months and that it is “brutal” and more suitable for football players.
However I like the simplicity that 5×5 uses compound movements and olympic style lifts. Just add 5# to the bar with each workout, do three to four compound exercises each workout, workout 3 times a week, alternate workouts (except for squats, do them each time).
In your book I notice all your workouts are based on machines. Most coaches say barbells are the only way to gain strength and balance, that machines, even the smith machines, are too limiting and do not help balancing and assisting muscles.
Will I get the same strength and power results from your slow burn routine using machines? What is this critique of machines I keep hearing and reading?
May I do squats, deadlifts, bench, rows, cleans, chins, etc. using the slow burn method or are these all power movements?
I really want to get stronger, and I really don’t want to waste my time. Your experience and opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Fred Hahn February 9, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Erol –

5×5 is a waste of your time. 5 sets of the same exercise will not produce better results.

You’re body needs resistance – not free weights or machines or rocks, etc. Most coaches are clueless when it comes to RT.

You get more power from stronger muscles. Period. Machines allow you to train harder and in a safer fashion.

You can do virtually any exercise you want to but some that you mention like cleans are dangerous and unnecessary. There is no such thing as a “power movement.” That’s just jargon.

Jon February 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I just finished reading DeVany’s New Evolution Diet. I can,t admit that I read anything new concerning paleo dieting, or lower carb eating per se , I did find some of his anecdotes and citations concerning strength intritging. He had a brief paragraph or two concerning strength, and how “the strong” live longer than the less strong, i.e., the strongest 25 percent live longer than the next strongest 25 percent, and so on down the ladder. I would like to see more information and research on this topic, as opposed to being told that yoga five days a week, or endless tread milling will help me obtain a longer life span…

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