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Life and Death

by Fred Hahn on March 23, 2014

People say it’s cruel to kill animals to eat them. Well, as I see it, how you kill them is the most important issue. You can do it horribly or humanely. I opt for the latter.

I was talking to a client about this the other day. She agreed and understood that we need to eat animal matter, but still had trouble with the idea of killing them.

I said to her “Well, the animal is going to die someday, so, would you rather the animal grow old, became decrepit and live in discomfort and potential agony till it drops and then we eat it? Or, might it be better for the animal to kill it humanely before it suffers?

This made her smile.

So, if you have a beef with eating beef or any other animal because it has to be killed, remember that the animal has to die someday.

(Note: I realize that there are other issues like veal, piglets, and other animals that we eat that are not allowed to live a decent lifespan and are tortured while they live. I am against this.)

I've been involved in exercise ever since I became a member of The Charles Atlas Club when I was 10 years old. In 1998, I founded and established Serious Strength on the Upper West Side of NYC. My clients include kids, seniors (and everyone in between), top CEOs, celebrities, bestselling authors, journalists and TV personalities.
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in Nutrition,weight loss/diet · 10 comments

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Donnie Hunt March 23, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Regarding nutrition: Where can I find information about why say an elephant must eat the way it eats vs. a lion and the way its eat and everything else. I think you had posted a graph at one point Fred that showed how a humans digestive system has some similarities with wolves, if I remember correctly? Just somethings I have wondered when you step back and look at the variation in what everything eats. I think you talked about how herbivores have to eat almost all the time vs. carnivores that eat much more infrequent.

Fred Hahn March 23, 2014 at 9:21 AM
sumoman March 23, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Well said Fred. I feel the same applies to humans. There are far too many of them and most of them are irritating. Killing them off in a humane fashion is far kinder than waiting for them to die a slow death of weakness and decrepidity.

Donnie I am sure that Fred feels that he has the digestive system of a wolf or lion, afterall it would be less manly to say that one is more akin to a monkey or chimpanzee.

Fred Hahn March 23, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Juan last I checked, most humans don’t eat other humans. But for the few that do, I’d agree with you.

(You used to be cleverer…)

tony March 24, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Eventually every one in the planet is eaten by someone else.

Sean March 24, 2014 at 12:11 PM

The ironic thing is many vegans are pro abortion. They care more about animals than human babies. Make sense of that.

But you have to have a consistent viewpoint. If it is okay to kill animals, then it is okay. How humane the killing is is for us rather than them. It is better for our health and psyche to humanely kill animals and in a wider view shows good stewardship. Plus there is nothing wrong with someone wanting to eat the meant, but not kill it. Garrison Keillor touches on some of this in his skit “Hog Slaughter”. Also there is a video of Joel Salatin saying they only kill the chickens once a month or something because it isn’t a very pleasurable experience to do day in and day out.

While I agree that it is moral to kill animals and eat them, the argument above takes for granted that it is okay to kill them and eat them. Saving them from old age and natural death assumes that we have permission to subvert that natural process. “Thou shalt not murder” is a clear commandment to not willfully subvert the natural innocent human life. So I don’t think the above will convince many, but preach to the choir. You can make an argument from history — we’ve always eaten meat. You can make an argument from health — it is better for our health. And you can make an argument from morality — that eating animals is moral. You then would have to explain how it is moral, either through natural law and/or positive divine law. Many theologians and philosophers have made this argument already. That’s a whole other long discussion. Some info here:

http://www.iep.utm.edu/anim-eth/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/ap-ethic/#SH4b

And please don’t dismiss my mini soap box here. There are moves to grant “person” status to animals. Meanwhile in our bizarre world pre-born infants are still denied the basic right to life throughout the world.

http://planetsave.com/2013/12/02/new-lawsuits-seek-to-grant-chimps-and-highly-self-aware-animals-legal-persons-status/

sumoman March 24, 2014 at 2:52 PM

“Juan last I checked, most humans don’t eat other humans.”

Yes Fred, that is because it is against the law. However if it was in vogue to have human burgers then this would kill two humans with one brick, i.e. reduce overpopulation and make for a ready supply of food.

We could also make it mandatory to let tigers and other predators take over and chomp down on humans, this would re-dress the natural balance.

Sean, human babies could also be put on the menu as a delicacy. As they are insensate this would pose no moral problems.

Akin March 24, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Another sumoed thread. After say, 15 years we’ve had enough of this guy. stop it Sumo

sumoman March 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Akin, you are obviously not a very intelligent person. The purpose of my posts is to point out the absurdity of Fred’s argument that it is okay to kill animals because they are going to die anyway.

Using that sort of argument it is possible to argue the most absurd positions with absolute certainty. Hence the example of eating babies in my post.

HIT mythology is based on this principle, e.g. heavy lifting will injure you so do not lift heavy, etc.

Unfortunately Akin, as you are not very intelligent, you will not really understand this principle… indeed you are almost certainly unable to squat 300 lbs and will argue that doing so is dangerous and likely to lead to death.

Fred Hahn March 25, 2014 at 3:51 PM

“Akin, you are obviously not a very intelligent person.”

****This is what the unintelligent say.

“The purpose of my posts is to point out the absurdity of Fred’s argument that it is okay to kill animals because they are going to die anyway.”

****I was pointing out that killing them can be humane.

“Using that sort of argument it is possible to argue the most absurd positions with absolute certainty. Hence the example of eating babies in my post.”

****Babies are human beings and not food. Killing them is against the law. However, it does make a good case for euthanasia.

“HIT mythology is based on this principle, e.g. heavy lifting will injure you so do not lift heavy, etc.”

****People who use HIT principles lift heavy all the time.

“Unfortunately Akin, as you are not very intelligent, you will not really understand this principle… indeed you are almost certainly unable to squat 300 lbs and will argue that doing so is dangerous and likely to lead to death.”

Here is my friend Mike, 5’6″ 140 pounds squatting 315 for 7. He’s a HITer. Many HITers are this strong. And Juan, you live in your parents basement, do you not?

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