Comments on: Diabetes Disaster http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/ Some Exercise and Diet Ideas to Better Your Life Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:28:03 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Fred Hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1618 Fred Hahn Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:16:03 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1618 Great to hear this Kab. I suggest that anyone who has benefited from LC eating join the Nutrition and Metabolism Society. The NMS is a large group of doctors and scientists that are doing the work that the establishment is not doing and ignoring. www.nmsociety.org Great to hear this Kab. I suggest that anyone who has benefited from LC eating join the Nutrition and Metabolism Society. The NMS is a large group of doctors and scientists that are doing the work that the establishment is not doing and ignoring.
http://www.nmsociety.org

]]> By: Kab http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1617 Kab Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:55:57 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1617 This is a very interesting discussion and because diabetes has become or is becoming a world-wide epidemic due to high-carb diets, it is also very important. In my opinion, the first reason it will remain at epidemic proportions is because, as Audley pointed out, the attitude that a diabetic can have "one cookie" or worse yet, that fruit and whole grains are actually necessary for everyone including diabetics! Every diabetic is advised to follow the misguided (to put it kindly) ADA's diet so, we diabetics look to all of you LC advocates for the true facts to back us up when explaining our very different way of "managing" and "controlling" diabetes (terms which mean meds to just about everyone else out there). The second reason is, because as Anne points out, we diabetics must stay on guard so we don't fall prey to this high-carb, low-fat crazed world. Ironically, it's easy to become lax about LC when we are doing so well (no symptoms)... until we've progressively damaged more beta cells and symptoms reappear. Therefore, I agree, the best way to stay on guard is to realize, accept, and act as someone who is diabetic. This is the best way to stay in control with a strict LC diet. As you say, a LC diet is not only the BEST diet for a diabetic, it is the ONLY diet that works for a diabetic. Though I do not consider myself "cured", this is just a matter of semantics. You are absolutely right -- In the end what's the difference if I am not experiencing the "symptoms" (high BGLs and/or high insulin levels -- which are the direct cause of the complications of diabetes)? The important thing is that LC is not only saving my life, it is saving the quality of my life. Thank you for being one of those who have been courageous enough to buck the medical establishment and have truly helped me. Kab This is a very interesting discussion and because diabetes has become or is becoming a world-wide epidemic due to high-carb diets, it is also very important. In my opinion, the first reason it will remain at epidemic proportions is because, as Audley pointed out, the attitude that a diabetic can have “one cookie” or worse yet, that fruit and whole grains are actually necessary for everyone including diabetics! Every diabetic is advised to follow the misguided (to put it kindly) ADA’s diet so, we diabetics look to all of you LC advocates for the true facts to back us up when explaining our very different way of “managing” and “controlling” diabetes (terms which mean meds to just about everyone else out there).

The second reason is, because as Anne points out, we diabetics must stay on guard so we don’t fall prey to this high-carb, low-fat crazed world. Ironically, it’s easy to become lax about LC when we are doing so well (no symptoms)… until we’ve progressively damaged more beta cells and symptoms reappear. Therefore, I agree, the best way to stay on guard is to realize, accept, and act as someone who is diabetic. This is the best way to stay in control with a strict LC diet.

As you say, a LC diet is not only the BEST diet for a diabetic, it is the ONLY diet that works for a diabetic. Though I do not consider myself “cured”, this is just a matter of semantics. You are absolutely right — In the end what’s the difference if I am not experiencing the “symptoms” (high BGLs and/or high insulin levels — which are the direct cause of the complications of diabetes)? The important thing is that LC is not only saving my life, it is saving the quality of my life. Thank you for being one of those who have been courageous enough to buck the medical establishment and have truly helped me.

Kab

]]> By: Audley http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1615 Audley Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:42:58 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1615 Anne is correct, anyone with diabetes has to constantly remind people that you are diabetic, whether you still have the symptoms or not. When I eat out, I tell my server that I am diabetic and they seem much more cooperative about giving me more veggies or protein in place of mashed potatoes, rolls or other carbs I would rather not eat. I also get from those who do not understand: "It's only one piece of cake", or "It's only one cookie, you'll be OK!" I tell them I will NOT be OK and if they don't get it, there's nothing I can do to change their mind. I still don't eat the cake. Part of that misconception is there are type 2's that I know who will take extra insulin or medication to eat that piece of cake. Anyone who has overcome the symptoms of diabetes should be proud of himself or herself for the discipline needed to accomplish the mission of reducing blood sugars. Are we still diabetics? Yes. We listened to those who know what they are talking about and reaped the benefits. Fred, thanks to your advice on got on the right track. I took a chance on getting away from the mainstream thought process of the low fat/high carb diet, and it worked. Anne is correct, anyone with diabetes has to constantly remind people that you are diabetic, whether you still have the symptoms or not. When I eat out, I tell my server that I am diabetic and they seem much more cooperative about giving me more veggies or protein in place of mashed potatoes, rolls or other carbs I would rather not eat.
I also get from those who do not understand: “It’s only one piece of cake”, or “It’s only one cookie, you’ll be OK!” I tell them I will NOT be OK and if they don’t get it, there’s nothing I can do to change their mind. I still don’t eat the cake. Part of that misconception is there are type 2’s that I know who will take extra insulin or medication to eat that piece of cake.
Anyone who has overcome the symptoms of diabetes should be proud of himself or herself for the discipline needed to accomplish the mission of reducing blood sugars.
Are we still diabetics? Yes. We listened to those who know what they are talking about and reaped the benefits. Fred, thanks to your advice on got on the right track. I took a chance on getting away from the mainstream thought process of the low fat/high carb diet, and it worked.

]]> By: Anne http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1614 Anne Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:47:06 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1614 Yes I think it matters. Diabetes is one of those 'invisible' disorders and it's useful to have label to identify it so that, for example, other people will realise that it's important that I eat low carb. If you're not diabetic then it doesn't matter so much but it does if you're diabetic. Friends and relatives take notice of the fact that I have diabetes and - usually - remember to give me low carb food when we visit. If I was a non-diabetic eating low carb I might not be treated with such respect (hough in an ideal world I would be).....actually I know I wouldn't because it's taken long enough for people to understand that I HAVE to eat low carb because of my diabetes ! It's also important if I went into hospital for something that they knew I was diabetic. I also gain access to various other health checks like retinopathy checks. And I get testing strips so I can keep an eye on my blood glucose. Being a thin Type 2 with no insulin resistance there's a chance that I may evolve into a Type 1 or LADA - as Kab describes above. Keeping a check on my blood glucose will warn me if it rises, despite keeping to low carb, that my diabetes has changed into Type 1 or LADA before serious damage is done. Anne Yes I think it matters. Diabetes is one of those ‘invisible’ disorders and it’s useful to have label to identify it so that, for example, other people will realise that it’s important that I eat low carb. If you’re not diabetic then it doesn’t matter so much but it does if you’re diabetic. Friends and relatives take notice of the fact that I have diabetes and – usually – remember to give me low carb food when we visit. If I was a non-diabetic eating low carb I might not be treated with such respect (hough in an ideal world I would be)…..actually I know I wouldn’t because it’s taken long enough for people to understand that I HAVE to eat low carb because of my diabetes !

It’s also important if I went into hospital for something that they knew I was diabetic. I also gain access to various other health checks like retinopathy checks. And I get testing strips so I can keep an eye on my blood glucose. Being a thin Type 2 with no insulin resistance there’s a chance that I may evolve into a Type 1 or LADA – as Kab describes above. Keeping a check on my blood glucose will warn me if it rises, despite keeping to low carb, that my diabetes has changed into Type 1 or LADA before serious damage is done.

Anne

]]> By: Anne http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1613 Anne Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:46:30 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1613 Yes I think it matters. Diabetes is one of those 'invisible' disorders and it's useful to have label to identify it so that, for example, other people will realise that it's important that I eat low carb. If you're not diabetic then it doesn't matter so much but it does if you're diabetic. Friends and relatives take notice of the fact that I have diabetes and - usually - remember to give me low carb food when we visit. If I was a non-diabetic eating low carb I might not be treated with such respect (hough in an ideal world I would be).....actually I know I wouldn't because it's taken long enough for people to understand that I HAVE to eat low carb because of my diabetes ! It's also important if I went into hospital for something that they knew I was diabetic. I also gain access to various other health checks like retinopathy checks. And I get testing strips so I can keep an eye on my blood glucose. Being a thin Type 2 with no insulin resistance there's a chance that I may evolve into a Type 1 or LADA - as Kab describes above. Keeping a check on my blood glucose will warn me if it rises, despite keeping to low carb, that my diabetes has changed into Type ! or LADA before serious damage is done. Anne Yes I think it matters. Diabetes is one of those ‘invisible’ disorders and it’s useful to have label to identify it so that, for example, other people will realise that it’s important that I eat low carb. If you’re not diabetic then it doesn’t matter so much but it does if you’re diabetic. Friends and relatives take notice of the fact that I have diabetes and – usually – remember to give me low carb food when we visit. If I was a non-diabetic eating low carb I might not be treated with such respect (hough in an ideal world I would be)…..actually I know I wouldn’t because it’s taken long enough for people to understand that I HAVE to eat low carb because of my diabetes !

It’s also important if I went into hospital for something that they knew I was diabetic. I also gain access to various other health checks like retinopathy checks. And I get testing strips so I can keep an eye on my blood glucose. Being a thin Type 2 with no insulin resistance there’s a chance that I may evolve into a Type 1 or LADA – as Kab describes above. Keeping a check on my blood glucose will warn me if it rises, despite keeping to low carb, that my diabetes has changed into Type ! or LADA before serious damage is done.

Anne

]]> By: Fred Hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1612 Fred Hahn Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:00:21 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1612 Hi Anne - This may be an oversimplification, but the reason that diabetes is a problem is because of elevated blood sugar (all types) and elevated insulin (Type II). If you don't eat carbs, you won't have high blood sugar or high insulin, so does it really matter if you are 'diabetic?' In mice: Obesity + insulin resistance – carbs => No diabetes. Obesity + insulinresistance + carbs => Diabetes Now we are not mice, but the mechanisms appear to be similar. Hi Anne – This may be an oversimplification, but the reason that diabetes is a problem is because of elevated blood sugar (all types) and elevated insulin (Type II). If you don’t eat carbs, you won’t have high blood sugar or high insulin, so does it really matter if you are ‘diabetic?’

In mice:
Obesity + insulin resistance – carbs => No diabetes.
Obesity + insulinresistance + carbs => Diabetes

Now we are not mice, but the mechanisms appear to be similar.

]]> By: Anne http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1611 Anne Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:12:23 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1611 By still diabetic I mean that if I have so much as an orange - which is comparatively high carb - then my blood glucose levels go much higher than a non-diabetic's. This is because my pancreas can't produce as much insulin as a non-diabetic. A non-diabetic can eat an orange and their blood glucose would be fine. Anne By still diabetic I mean that if I have so much as an orange – which is comparatively high carb – then my blood glucose levels go much higher than a non-diabetic’s. This is because my pancreas can’t produce as much insulin as a non-diabetic. A non-diabetic can eat an orange and their blood glucose would be fine.

Anne

]]> By: Fred Hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1610 Fred Hahn Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:04:59 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1610 Wait Anne - what do you mean by "your still diabetic?" What are your symptoms? If you don't have symptoms, you're not diabetic. I can't eat carbs either. Wait Anne – what do you mean by “your still diabetic?” What are your symptoms? If you don’t have symptoms, you’re not diabetic. I can’t eat carbs either.

]]> By: Paul B. http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1609 Paul B. Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:48:14 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1609 Fred--I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist here, but check out the ADA's main financial supporters and the answer is pretty clear, I think. Fred–I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist here, but check out the ADA’s main financial supporters and the answer is pretty clear, I think.

]]> By: Fred Hahn http://slowburnfitness.com/diabetes-disaster/comment-page-1/#comment-1608 Fred Hahn Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:31:52 +0000 http://slowburnfitness.com/?p=383#comment-1608 Right - LC can't fix a broken pancreas or a genetically compromised one as far as I'm aware. Still, there is no better diet regime to be on for you than a low carb diet. Why the ADA warns people to stay low fat if they are diabetic is beyond me. Right – LC can’t fix a broken pancreas or a genetically compromised one as far as I’m aware. Still, there is no better diet regime to be on for you than a low carb diet.

Why the ADA warns people to stay low fat if they are diabetic is beyond me.

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